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Post by Scrappy on Sun Oct 16, 2016 10:56 am

SACA Squad this season

AGAR
ANDREWS
BENTON
CAREY
FERGUSON
GRANT
GREGORY
HEAD
LEHMANN
LUDEMAN
MENNIE
NEILSEN
PAGE
RAPHAEL
RICHARDSON
ROSS
SAYERS
SMITH
VALENTE
WEATHERALD
WORRALL
ZAMPA

Mark Cosgrove has surprisingly been axed
Elliot Opie, Tom Cooper, Gary Putland are not listed

Possible line up v WA at the WACA round 1

Weatherald
Raphael
Ferguson
Head
Lehmann
Ross
Carey
Mennie
Zampa
Sayers
Worrall

Batting should be entertaining
Most of them could potentially get even better
If they continue to improve Weatherald, Head, Lehmann could even play Test cricket

Bowling ?
As a unit Mennie/Sayers/Worrall did very well last season
Hopefully they can reproduce last seasons very good efforts

Almost won the SS last season
Perhaps if Chad Sayers was not injured in the final SA may have won

I cant find any odds for the 2017 SS winner
Heres my odds,used purely as a guide

VI  $3-00
SA $4-20
NS $4-20
WA $5-00
QL $8-00
TA $26-00
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Post by Scrappy on Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:29 am

Youngstars of the future ?

RYAN GIBSON [NSW]
A player to watch , if he gets a call up for New South Wales in 2016-2017
Is excelling in the Matador Cup at present
293 runs
58-60 average
87.72 strike rate

The 22 year old had a massive season in Sydney Grade cricket last season
That included back to back double centuries



JAKE WEATHERALD [SA]
This was Jakes batting scores in his debut season
58 [83]
23[19]
0 [1]
0 [8]
27[47]
66[61]
96[223]

270 runs
38.57 average
61.08 strike rate

Made a pair in Perth
Then was good enough to score 66+96 in the Sheffield Shield final
Could be anything from what Ive seen



TRAVIS DEAN [VIC]
Future Australian Test player ?
Debut season last season
808 runs
38.47 average
48.88 strike rate

Travis Dean had a sensational debut match v QL last season
154 not out [279]
109 not out [221]
He failed dismally in his 3rd career innings against WA making only 84 [213]
Dean made an incredible 347 runs before being dismissed in the SS
It took 713 balls bowled to him before he was dismissed
Andrew Tye had the distinction of being the first bowler to dismiss Dean in the SS

SS FINAL 2016
111[201]
54 [103]

Definite test match potential if he improves or maintains his form


LLOYD POPE [SA]
?
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Post by UncleHuey on Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:49 pm

I was surprised they bought Cossie back. In hindsight, hanging on to Maxy Klinger might have been a better idea.
Thought Coops would have got another spot in the squad.
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Post by BloodnTars on Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:16 pm

I would play Kelvin Smith ahead of Raphael. Currently has 200* in the futures league game and is our future. Raphael has been given a number of opportunities and failed to grasp one.

The rest of the team looks pretty much spot on Scrappy.
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Post by Scrappy on Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:35 am

Sheffield Shield odds

UNITAB

VI 3-25
NS 4-00
SA 4-25
WA 5-50
QL 7-50
TA 13-00

Those odds bear a similarity to my odds posted 16/10/2016


Todays matches
VI V TA
QL V NS
WA V SA

Travis Head and his South Australians are playing on a historic day in WA
It was 400 years ago 25/10/1616 that the first explorer landed in WA
Dirk Hartog, the sailing dutchman landed in an area known as Shark Bay
That land is now called Dirk Hartog Island

The first dutchy to land in Australia was Willem Janszoon
He landed in Queensland in 1606

Before those 2 perhaps an inter galactical explorer was to first to land in Australia
That entity might have got lost and got called a stray alien

So Australia may well have been claimed by the Dutch 400+ years ago
And who knows if cricket today would be so much different
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Post by Scrappy on Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:06 am

WA 9/271 DEC
SA 2/16
Stumps day 1

Jake Weatherald made a duck
He has now played 3 SS innings in Perth and not scored a run as yet
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Post by BloodnTars on Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:42 pm

Strange dismissal. Let the ball go and was bowled behind his legs. Ball did hoop a bit but reckon he didn't pick the ball up at all.
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Post by Scrappy on Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:23 pm

BONUS POINTS
100 overs
1ST innings

BATTING
.01 FOR EACH RUN MADE OVER 200

BOWLING
0.5 FOR EACH WICKET THAT FALLS 0N 5TH-7TH-9TH WICKETS
5......0.5
6.....SAME 0.5
7.....1.0
8.. ..SAME 0.5
9.....1.5
10...SAME 0.5
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Post by bayman on Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:37 am

Western Australia 9/271

South Australia 8/474

Stumps day two
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Post by Scrappy on Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:40 pm

SA 8/474 off 101 overs
That is scintillating batting after being 2/3

Ferguson 101[127]
Head 66 [61]
Cooper 138[154]

Carey batting 8 made 79[121]

What about WA ?
If Voges and the Marsh bothers play a lot of International cricket this summer their batting strength will be weakened
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Post by bayman on Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:59 pm

on Alex Carey i believe he's now got a Strikers' contract
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Post by Scrappy on Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:27 pm

LADDER
ROUND1

SA 9.6
VI 8.7
NS 7.9
QL 2.0
WA 1.5
TA 1.0


Exciting team the Redbacks, great to get a win on the road
3.6 bonus points gained

Like SA last season , QL were stiff to draw NS in the first game with Warner/Smith/Starc/Lyon/Hazelwood playing
Starc started the game was replaced by Douggggggie Bollinger[WHY ?]


VI had the luxury of making the BIG show Glenn Maxwell 12th man in the win against TA
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Post by robranisgod on Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:37 pm

Scrappy wrote:SA 8/474 off 101 overs
That is scintillating batting after being 2/3

Ferguson 101[127]
Head 66 [61]
Cooper 138[154]

Carey batting 8 made 79[121]

What about WA ?
If Voges and the Marsh bothers play a lot of International cricket this summer their batting strength will be weakened

If Mitchell Marsh plays a lot of International cricket I think that Western Australia's batting will be strengthened. How does he hold his place in the Australian team?
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Post by Scrappy on Sat Oct 29, 2016 10:53 am

ALLROUNDERS

Why does Mitchell Marsh get to play for Australia ?

There is a lot of cricket played by Internationals
The days of playing 4 front line bowlers are almost numbered
Shane Watson and now Mitchell Marsh are picked as batsmen that can bowl
They get picked for team balance
It more or less weakens the batting
But the bowling is a bonus as it gives the front line bowlers a break

This outlook has been a basic since Shane Warne retired
Warne not only took a lot of wickets , he also bowled a lot of overs , and was mostly inexpensive
When you have an attack that has 2 champion bowlers in Mcgrath and Warne , Australia could get away with 4 bowlers
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Post by bayman on Sat Oct 29, 2016 12:29 pm

Scrappy wrote:LADDER
ROUND1

SA 9.6
VI 8.7
NS 7.9
QL 2.0
WA 1.5
TA 1.0


Exciting team the Redbacks, great to get a win on the road
3.6 bonus points gained

Like SA last season , QL were stiff to draw NS in the first game with Warner/Smith/Starc/Lyon/Hazelwood playing
Starc started the game was replaced by Douggggggie Bollinger[WHY ?]


VI had the luxury of making the BIG show Glenn Maxwell 12th man in the win against TA

i heard on the radio that Maxwell playing for Fitzroy-Doncaster today, they added he didn't make the starting X1 for Victoria on FORM..........his Matador Cup Form/averages seemed good when read out
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Post by Scrappy on Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:13 pm

This was Glenn Maxwells performances in the Sheffield Shield last season

Bowling
3/140[46.3] total bowling for season

Batting
QL[MCG]
8*[17]

WA [MCG]
98[111]
38[39]

WA [WACA]
0[2]
18*[17]

SA [MCG]
62[55]
26[32]

SA [BAYMAN OVAL FINAL]
79[78]
63[109]

393 runs
460 balls
56.00 ave
85.22 strike rate

He was sparingly used with the ball last season
His batting is most probably why he gets selected
He averaged 56.00 and was not picked for the next game in 2016-2017

Im at a loss why he is not selected on that excellent form
Perhaps it was his last innings in the SS Grand Final , 63 off 109 balls
Maybe he was dropped because of a strike rate of 57.79 ?????????????
I say that, because there cannot be any other reason

When selecting a player in a format of cricket , a player should be judged on his form in that format
For Glenn Maxwell to be dropped on Matador Cup form is puzzling
Maybe he was unfit, or undisciplined , or whatever not to be selected
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Post by bayman on Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:28 pm

Scrappy, would the fact he ''looked'' at crossing the border after last season have had an impact on this decision ?
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Post by Scrappy on Sat Oct 29, 2016 11:43 pm

bayman wrote:Scrappy, would the fact he ''looked'' at crossing the border after last season have had an impact on this decision ?

Might well be the reason why
The BIG show  wanted to play for NSW this season , but VIC declined his request

Since last years SS final this is his form

AU V SL 20/20 iNTERNATIONALS [A different form of cricket to 4 day cricket]
145*[65]
66[29]

211 runs
94 balls
224 strike rate
211 average

MATADOR CUP [ A different form of cricket to 4 day cricket]
SA 25[17]
WA 9[5]
CX 22[17]
TA 22[18]
MS 67[41]
QL 28[25]
NS 38[48]

211
171 balls
123 strike rate
30.14 average

VI:  SS........ 58.0 average last season
AU: 20/20.....211.00 average
AU :ODI.......30-14 average

And cant get a game for Victoria
I think Baymans last post is the most logical reason why
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Post by Scrappy on Sat Oct 29, 2016 11:59 pm

Victorian First Class averages after the 1st game of 2016

30.44 CHRISTIAN
30.65 HARRIS
34.06 FINCH
37.00 DEAN
38.40 STOINIS
38.48 HANDSCOMBE
39.70 WADE
40.10 WHITE
41.03 MAXWELL

Markus Stoinis didnt make the first SS game line up as well
Have a LOOK at this link of Marcus doing what Gary Sobers has done

www.cricket.com.au/news/six-sixes-in-an-over-marcus-stoinis-brendan-smith-allan-border-field-nps/2015-07-08
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Post by robranisgod on Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:12 pm

Scrappy wrote:ALLROUNDERS

Why does Mitchell Marsh get to play for Australia ?

There is a lot of cricket played by Internationals
The days of playing 4 front line bowlers are almost numbered
Shane Watson and now Mitchell Marsh are picked as batsmen that can bowl
They get picked for team balance
It more or less weakens the batting
But the bowling is a bonus as it gives the front line bowlers a break

This outlook has been a basic since Shane Warne retired
Warne not only took a lot of wickets , he also bowled a lot of overs , and was mostly inexpensive
When you have an attack that has 2 champion bowlers in Mcgrath and Warne , Australia could get away with 4 bowlers

But when you had Warne and McGrath leading the attack Australia had many more than 4 bowlers. Australia always have had 4 front lines e.g. Warne, McGrath, Gillespie and Lee but in those days they always had the Waugh brothers to provide medium pace relief at as good a standard as Marsh bowls. Players like Blewett, Lehmann and later on Clarke were handy change bowlers as well.

Even when we had Lille, Thomson, Walker and Mallett as our attack we had Greg Chappell and Walters to provide medium pace support and Ian Chappell as a sometime leg spin back up.

If to get chosen at number 6 for Australia you have to be a useful bowler as well, Ken Cunningham and Ian Brayshaw would have played heaps of tests for Australia.

I still can't make a case for Mitchell Marsh being in the side.

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Post by bayman on Sun Oct 30, 2016 6:22 pm

While not being a dig at him but if Mitchell was Mitchell "Jones" would he have got the "push" he has been given? (Not his fault/doing)
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Post by robranisgod on Sun Oct 30, 2016 6:28 pm

bayman wrote:While not being a dig at him but if Mitchell was Mitchell "Jones" would he have got the "push" he has been given? (Not his fault/doing)

Couldn't agree more.

Also under the Chairman of Selectors, Rod Marsh, Western Australians seem to have had a dream run into the Australian side. It has been quoted before but whilst many scribes have questioned the number of NSW players in the Australian sides over the years, in the last 40 years Western Australian players seem to get into the Australian side easier than players from some other states. Sure there have been champs from the West but there have been a number of very lucky players to win test selection from WA.
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Post by UncleHuey on Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:05 pm

Mitch Marsh is lucky to get a gig. He cannot be picked on "potential " forever. At the moment he averages 24 with the bat and 36 with the ball. He needs to reverse those figures fairly quickly if he is to play as an all-rounder because at the moment he is just an expensive bowler batting too high on the list. We would be better picking another specialist batsmen or bowler.

You cannot afford to play someone as an all-rounder who would not make the team if you consider just their bowling or batting performances.
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Post by Thiele on Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:17 pm

Sa vs Tas

Tassie all out for 98

Sayers 6/38
Mennie 2/16
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Post by bayman on Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:06 pm

Stumps

Tas 98

S.A. 2/222

no idea about who hit them apart from Ferguson out for a duck & Sayers got 6 wickets (well that's what i heard but machines were going so i may have mis heard)
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