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Post by Chambo Off To Work We Go on Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:32 pm

I'm not so sure it is about the more they play in those conditions, but rather getting the mindset right when it happens.

It was the same when they went to England earlier this year.
With the amount of test cricket played and has been played for a long time, they get exposed enough to a variety of conditions around the world, but I don't see batsmen change their game accordingly.

I guess this is why visiting sides generally struggle anywhere.

Maybe a team psychologist is more important than the team coach in this respect.
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Post by Scrappy on Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:55 pm

Yes the Pink ball at times in this match swung like the Duke thats used in England
I think batters will improve IF they play more on these decks Chambo

" I think theres a BIG difference,
I think the ball just does a little bit more off the seam and swings in the air, so its quite handy when you do get it in the right spot , you do get those nicks and LBWatttos
I think its a little more enjoyable bowling at night."

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Post by Scrappy on Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:02 am

" Let them sit in Australia and talk about their pitches
Tell them not to waste their time about Indian tracks
Come and play here
When we go overseas we dont have any choices
Why would you complain ?
Nagpur was better for cricket than the one that produced a 5 day draw at the WACA
Nagpur was a Test match that was moving all the time
Compare this Test to the Test match in Perth
I would pay money for a ticket for this[Nagpur] game
To hell with the 5 days."

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On why the Nagpur surface was derided and the Adelaide Oval surface praised
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Post by Scrappy on Sun Dec 06, 2015 10:11 am

* Cricket is a far better game when a carrot is dangled to the bowlers and this was proved once again`
The series needed a positive injection after the lifeless, slow moving draw at the WACA and the extra grass on the Adelaide pitch provided the spur to galvanise the beleaguered bowlers
This should prompt a world wide demand for pitches that provide equally for batsmen and bowlers, rather than surfaces either favoring the home side or designed to prolong the contest in order to satisfy the bean counters*

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Post by Scrappy on Sun Dec 06, 2015 11:28 am

* If pitches have to be prepared green to protect the pink ball, we can expect to see more truncated Tests like this one
Call me old fashioned but I want a Test match that at least threatens to last 5 days
After the madness of the weekend I was looking forward to a sedate Monday and possibly Tuesday, at the cricket, but was delivered 2 wasted days instead
When you drop almost $700 a year in tickets, that hurts.*

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About the Adelaide 3 day test , Australia v New Zealand , 2015

I can underthestand Nicks frustrations
A bit like rolling up to a rock concert
The band sings a few songs and just after half way from finishing calls it a night
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Post by Scrappy on Sun Dec 06, 2015 12:33 pm

India v South Africa
4th Test, 2015

IN 334
SA 121
IN 4/57 at one point when Rahane joined Kohli
IN 4/190 current score

Kohli and Rahane have an unbroken 133 run partnership , stumps day 3
What does this partnership mean ?
It means this was the first 100+ run partnership in the series
This was the 116th partnership for the series b4 a 100+ partnership, a new Test record
The previous series record was 113th innings by Barrington/Cowdrey, England v South Africa 1965

Indias 334 first dig , beat the previous highest innings of the series of 215
Whatever happened to flat decks in India ?
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Post by Scrappy on Sun Dec 06, 2015 11:38 pm

Another record from that India v South Africa test
India have set SA 481 batting last
SA got to 50 for the loss of 2 wickets in the 49th over
Thats the slowest first 50 in Test history

After 72 overs
SA 0/72
A run rate of 1 per over
Amla 23 not out off 207 balls
Devilliers 11 not out off 91 balls
Jadeja 0/10 off 23 overs

At last a 5 day test match in this series on very spin friendly decks




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Post by Chambo Off To Work We Go on Mon Dec 07, 2015 9:08 am

Will we see a boundary today?
That will send the Indian spectators into a frenzy! Very Happy
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Post by Scrappy on Mon Dec 07, 2015 8:25 pm

SA made 143 off only 143.1 overs
Amla 25[288]
Devilliers 43[345]
Du Plessis 10 [117]

Ashwin 5/61 [49.1]
Jadeja 2/36[46]
Yadav 3/9[21]
Sharma was clobbered 0/23[20]

Went well into the 5th day
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Post by Chambo Off To Work We Go on Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:57 am

It must have been excruciating to watch.
I don't think if it was Australia they would have done it.
481 is a big total, but in 5 sessions easily doable.
On an Indian wicket, well who knows?

But I bet they would have had a crack at it.
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Post by Chambo Off To Work We Go on Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:29 pm

What's a good pitch?
by IAN CHAPPELL

One that gives batsmen and bowlers equal opportunity to succeed. Delhi and Adelaide did that.

A batsman cannot expect to survive at the crease for long if he isn't decisive against spin bowling.

With controversy surrounding the surfaces prepared for Test matches in Nagpur and Adelaide, it's time to ask the question: is it the pitches or the performers who are responsible for Test matches being over in the blink of an eye?

Ravi Shastri, the Indian team director, quite rightly made the point that if the ICC was investigating the surface in Nagpur, then why wasn't a similar forensic examination being conducted on the Adelaide pitch, where the match was completed in a similarly short time frame?

I watched some of South Africa's batting in Delhi, on a pitch that was even for both sides, and I'm not surprised they were exterminated in Nagpur. If South Africa continue to utilise flawed techniques and mindsets, it won't matter where they are playing, they will encounter difficulty.

In many cases the technique and mindset were designed purely for survival. If you allow spinners to dictate terms for long periods, with fielders hovering round the bat, on pitches providing assistance, then survival will be brief.

The better the spinner, the more aggressive the batsman's thought process should be, as this promotes decisive footwork rather than a feeling that your sprigs are stuck in freshly laid tar. An aggressive thought process doesn't necessarily mean seeking regular boundaries; a succession of singles can disrupt the line and length of the best spinner. At least after a boundary, the spinner is still bowling to the same batsman. With a string of singles he's got to constantly change plans, and unless he's patient, that will drive him to distraction.

In Adelaide, the debate raged over the amount of grass left on the pitch. Bearing in mind the surface had to cope with Test cricket under lights for the first time and the use of a different-coloured ball, I thought the pitch was fair. It certainly provided a keen contest.

I was accustomed to seeing Australian pitches covered with an even mat of grass, and if this again becomes a trend it will be good for the game. I don't know if it was coincidence but the current Test pitch at Bellerive also had a good coverage of grass, which provided encouragement for West Indies. But they are in such disarray they were unable to capitalise.


The Adelaide Test may have lasted only three days, but the contest was gripping © Getty Images
Both teams have to play on a Test pitch and it's not the curator's fault if one side is either technically unable to cope or is beaten before a ball is delivered.

That brings us to the question: "What is a good pitch?"

A good pitch is one that provides a contest between bat and ball and hopefully a close finish. That means a good pitch can vary from region to region. In some places the surface will suit faster bowlers and in others, it will favour spinners.

A good batsman prides himself on his ability to prosper under any conditions, enjoying whatever challenge is presented. Why should a pitch that spins on the opening day be deemed worse than one that seams first up?

If Test teams are well balanced and capable of performing adequately under any conditions then there would be no advantage gained by preparing "home-town pitches".

In fact a trend towards Test pitches that provide encouragement to bowlers might actually convince batsmen of the need to seek a well-rounded technique, one that's equally adept at combining aggressive and survival techniques.

Cricket has reached the tipping point where the proliferation of the T20 game is affecting the longer version. If South Africa's batting in India and the all-round ineptitude of West Indies in Australia are any guide, all facets of Test cricket, including captaincy, are being diluted.

I found the Adelaide Test enthralling but what preceded it on a dull Perth pitch and followed at Bellerive with a lifeless and utterly inept West Indies team, less than inspiring.

There's certainly a need for an investigation but it should be looking at how cricket is evolving and what is the best way for the game to progress. It's time to start looking at the players and stop blaming the curators.
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Post by Chambo Off To Work We Go on Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:38 pm

"Cricket has reached the tipping point where the proliferation of the T20 game is affecting the longer version."

Chappelli has hit the nail on the head here I reckon.
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Post by Scrappy on Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:50 pm

Cricket has reached the tipping point where the proliferation of Test cricket is affecting the shorter version ...

This might be the view point of a new generation of 20/20 spectators
Those spectators have had to wait until Mid December to see a 20/20 game
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Post by robranisgod on Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:42 pm

Great article by Ian Chappell. Once again he defends Indian pitches as he should. Being the great player of spin that he was he prospered on Indian pitches against Prasanna and Bedi who were better bowlers than Ashwin and co.
The South Africans were insipid and always hell bent on survival.
Ian Chappell always considered Prasanna the greatest off spinner he played with or against.
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Post by Gingernuts on Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:45 am

I actually think we're past the tipping point now.

The proliferation of 20/20 has seen the batting friendly conditions spread to other formats in the last couple of years.

This season I think people are starting to question whether this is right, and whether the contest between bat and ball should be sacrificed just so a test match can go the full five days.

Case in point being the Adelaide test - only went 3 days but was far more entertaining than the previous 2 batfests.
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Post by Booney on Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:20 pm

Chambo Off To Work We Go wrote:"Cricket has reached the tipping point where the proliferation of the T20 game is affecting the longer version."

Chappelli has hit the nail on the head here I reckon.

"Reached" it? My good man Chappelli, our last Ashes campaign suffered from having half the squad playing in the Indian Prosperity League when the rest of the squad were focusing on county cricket conditions.

Who played county cricket?
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Post by Scrappy on Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:28 am

AUSTRALIANS WHO PLAYED IN THE IPL 2015

Abbott
Bailey
Blizzard
Coulter Nile
Cummins
Head
Henriques
Hilfenhaus
Hogg
Maddinson
Maxwell
S Marsh
STARc
Johnson
Sandhu
Stoinis
Warner

4 of those players played in the Ashes Tests of 2015
Johnson
S Marsh
STARc
Warner

The IPL tournament dates
8/4/2015 to 22/5/2015

Australia played 2 lead up games to the First test in England
Here is how the 4 IPL /Test players played in the warm up games

KENT V AUST 25/6/2015
S MARSH 114...DNB
JOHNSON 32 *...4/56... DNB...1/29

ESSEX V AUST 1/7/2015
WARNER 94...4
STARc 7....6/51...13...3/26

The 4 players listed had over a month off from IPL to the first match v Kent

Could not find any England Test players who played in the IPL
So the question is , did the English players playing county cricket have a better preparation ?
Did  the 4 Australian Test players have an adequate or  inadequate preparation playing in the IPL ?

I think the MAIN  reason Australia lost the series is because it was played in England
Just like when England comes to Australia and Australia wins most series
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Post by Chambo Off To Work We Go on Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:48 am

And they didn't play (or adjust their play) to the conditions.
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Post by Scrappy on Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:29 am

Agree Chambo
Defeats overseas is more about decks and conditions

Australia dominates on our decks that are either flatter of late, or bouncier until recently
Australia mostly dont handle spin in India well enough
Australia can struggle in England when the ball is swinging

AUSTRALIAN PITCHES
In Adelaide when Australias overall batting was poor , it was blamed on techniques , pink balls, night cricket , and off course the obligatory demise of batting due to 20/20
Yet no one blames 20/20 batting when Australia has been making plenty of 400+ scores  of late, on our decks , with regularity , over a few series

IN ENGLAND
Series was 1-1 after 2 Tests
Australia made 136 +265 and lost
The experts said our batters lacked technique that test , which I would agree with
Some others claimed it was 20/20 that caused our batters to bat as they did , which I can agree to , to a small degree
But where were the 20/20 theorists the previous test when Australia made 8/566 + 2/254 ?

That 2nd test was played on a flat deck, that test the ball swung less than most of the other tests
Those conditions were more akin to our home decks, thats one of the main reasons  why the Aussies smashed England
The conditions changed in the 3rd test, conditions the Aussies were not used to , a  main reason for the loss
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Post by Scrappy on Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:24 pm

THE NEED FOR SPEED ?
Theres a bowler who knows how to perform well in English conditions
Heres what  he has to say about bowling in England

" I think we struggle against good spin bowling as well, its not just swing bowling
In England its subtle
You only need to beat the bat by half the width of the bat
Either off the wicket or through the air, thats all we have to do
And I think the patience was lacking."

By
Terry Alderman

Speaking on Fox Sports Legends
Alderman lamented how Hazelwood and co showed little patience with the ball
The subject of bowlers bowling 140+, was raised
Alderman says speed is not the answer for everything
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Post by Scrappy on Sun Dec 27, 2015 9:07 am

MARK NICHOLAS in discussion with SHANE WARNE

NICHOLAS
" Theres a good example of the easy paced nature of a drop in pitch
6 foot 6 or 7[Jason Holder] this guy bangs the ball in the middle of the pitch and Khawaja stands there with all the time in the world.
Very interested in your point that you have to bat first with a drop in pitch on the basis that they never really going to seam very much, I guess and if it does deteriorate it might help the spinner as Adelaide did for example"

WARNE
" Yes 100% I just think there very true, there very even paced, there actually good to bat on , its very hard for the bowler to bowl on, so I always believe you should just bat first then as the game goes on, occasionally start to really spin and the odd one stay down a bit, but generally the first 3-4 days its very very good"


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Post by Scrappy on Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:23 pm

Something like this :

" You could have played 6 weeks after and it would still be a belter."

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Ooh  Aah

Commenting on a drop in pitch used in a recent Australia v India test match
Most probably the MCG drop in pitch, December 2014

Ooh Ahh Mcgrath also mentioned that Australian decks have become too similar to each other in characteristics

If Australian pitches are all similar that being all flatty then :
Australian batsmen might end up being or becoming FBTs
F-lat
T-rack
B-ullies
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Post by Scrappy on Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:51 am

Australia have now lost about 8 in a row in Asia
Some of them were thrashings
SL have beaten Australia quite easily in 2 tests

Is it time to prepare pitches that are not batter friendly in Australia ?
Should we produce decks with more spin?
Or shall we continue creaming teams that visit Australia and then in turn have our pants pulled down in some overseas series ?

Footnote
The Asian teams have problems when they come to Australia
They have the problem of taking 20 wickets per test in our backyards
So do they need to prepare different pitches as well to combat Australia in Australia ?
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Post by Chambo Off To Work We Go on Wed Aug 10, 2016 12:47 pm

Different conditions in the various countries makes it interesting.

I think it is more about preparing the players to meet the conditions.
They can't take the same mindset into every game around the globe, batters and bowlers alike.

I haven't watched the SL series, but the Aussies are becoming much less adaptable.
You'd think with the amount of international cricket they play it would be otherwise.

Perhaps they adapt to the different forms of the game, particularly the short one.
But they don't seem to adapt their mindset to the different conditions in Tests where you get found out quite quickly.

They didn't do it in England last year and you would have to say they haven't in Sri Lanka either.

I reckon if they were in the Caribbean at the moment they'd struggle too.
The Batsmen are too impatient for mine.

So it is the headspace that needs the most preparation at the moment.
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Post by bayman on Wed Aug 10, 2016 7:44 pm

Chambo Off To Work We Go wrote:Different conditions in the various countries makes it interesting.

I think it is more about preparing the players to meet the conditions.
They can't take the same mindset into every game around the globe, batters and bowlers alike.

I haven't watched the SL series, but the Aussies are becoming much less adaptable.
You'd think with the amount of international cricket they play it would be otherwise.

Perhaps they adapt to the different forms of the game, particularly the short one.
But they don't seem to adapt their mindset to the different conditions in Tests where you get found out quite quickly.

They didn't do it in England last year and you would have to say they haven't in Sri Lanka either.

I reckon if they were in the Caribbean at the moment they'd struggle too.
The Batsmen are too impatient for mine.

So it is the headspace that needs the most preparation at the moment.

i agree with all of that bar the Caribbean quip, as Australia were in the Caribbean before this series Wink
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