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Post by halfwayhotel on Sun May 21, 2017 7:50 pm

Lord Nolan, John Flynn geez Scrappy your drawing a long bow to footy history. Rolling Eyes
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Re: SANFL 1960-1999

Post by bayman on Sun May 21, 2017 10:35 pm

I thought it was interesting, long bow or not
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Post by Scrappy on Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:44 pm

1969 SANFL GRAND FINAL
ST ...6.3...10.7...16.12...24.15
GL...2-3....5-10....8-13...13.16

1969 VFL GRAND FINAL
RI...2.2...6.5...8.6...12.13
CA...1.4..2.7...8.10..8.12

The VFL  tigers won the AFL Grand Final
The following week the SANFL tigers were defeated

There was great controversy when Glenelg selected star Richmond forward Royce Hart
Royce Hart was concussed early in this match , recovered and showed why he is considered one of the greatest players ever , by playing a good game

There was mixed feeling about his selection for Glenelg
Royce Hart was paid $2,000 to play
He had trained with Glenelg during the season , but was picked to debut for the club in the GF
That meant one Glenelg player had to make way for his selection

What is quite bizarre is that had Glenelg not selected Royce Hart, then he could have played for Sturt on that Grand Final day
Glenelg raised the cash to entice Royce Hart
Was this is true or not,  Sturt was going to pay and play Royce Hart as well ?
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Post by bayman on Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:43 pm

being on National Service if you were stationed in another state you could play for any team you wanted without a transfer fee, as i understand it (from a hazy memory) that yes Glenelg paid Royce Hart to play & Darrell Moss was the unlucky player.......on the ''Tigers of old'' dvd Fred Phillis said (paraphrasing) ''that Royce was obviously a much better player than Darrell but i could read Darrell & knew when to lead & how he would kick it, with Royce i wasn't sure & this caused hesitation as to when to go'' as for Sturt paying well i think Neil Kerley said on the same dvd (again paraphrasing) ''that we weren't going to let Sturt get him because they knew they were sniffing around''
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Post by Scrappy on Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:26 pm

Confirmation of the Royce Hart availability in 1969
This from the Pride Of The Bay book.

PETER MARKER
" Of the decision to play Hart, I think if you asked every player, the end general view would have been negative, however it was a very difficult matter because Royce Hart was either going to play for Sturt or was going to play for Glenelg in the Grand Final
Jack Oatey said he would have played Royce Hart, he made it quite clear he would have played Hart had Sturt been able to secure his services."

ROYCE HART
" It was said the $2000 I received was the highest fee paid to a player for one match.
You might ask was it worth it ?
Too right!
I'd get into the ring with Cassius Clay and get knocked out 100 times for that sort of money."


And, indeed , he got knocked down , in the 1969 Grand Final !
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Post by Scrappy on Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:33 pm

1997
Brodie Atkinson tied and won the Magarey Medal
Brady Anderson won the Sandover Medal

Incredibly similar names
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Re: SANFL 1960-1999

Post by Scrappy on Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:12 am

1993
Alberton Oval
Round 8

PA.........5-1...10-1...13-2.....19-2 [116]
WWT.....3-6....7-6...11-15...14-20 [104]

PA goalscorers
6 Tylor
3 Hodges

WWT goalscorers
5 Taylor
3 Schache
3 Morphett

PA best players
Brown/Chalmers/Tylor

WWT best players
Taylor/Prymke/Geyer

The thing that stands out in this match is the scoring accuracy of WWT in the second quarter
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Re: SANFL 1960-1999

Post by Scrappy on Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:16 pm

bayman wrote:
Scrappy wrote:1971
3/4/1971

GL : 6-3...10-4....15-6....17-9
PA : 3-3...10-12..13-18..18-20

Port Adelaide won by 17 points
This round 1 clash was played at Elizabeth Oval
Must have been a reason why

i'll guess cricket was at both Alberton & Glenelg on that day, but it is just a guess

Found some reports from this match
This from the Inside Football magazine

The magazine gave a rating from 1-5 for each players performance

PORT
5 J Cahill
4 D Cahill
4 Ebert
4 Obst
4 Spencer

GLENELG
4 Caldwell
4 Cornes
4 Pattinson

Leading Goalscorers 3 goals or more

PORT
4 J Cahill
3 D Cahill
3 Spencer

GLENELG
8 F Phillis

A fairly easy goal late in the last quarter when Glenelg were a handy 10 points in front could have sealed the game for Glenelg, but Port swept them aside in the last stages of the game
Glenelg died on their run but it was a glorious opening marred only the locale.

The journalists of the times were rather scathing of this match being played at the Ponderosa

Heres what one had to say :
The SANFL is $5000 down the drain already after the opening round of the league series
That is what they lost by staging the PA V GL match at Elizabeth last Saturday instead of a closer home venue
Just over 10,000 people made the 17 miles northerly trip from the city to see last years preliminary finalists play on the neutral ground
It was all right for the PA barrackers who probably made up 8,000 of the total attendance
It is easy for them to slip up Grand Junction Road and be at Elizabeth quickly
But for Glenelg barrackers it meant a 50 miles round trip as they are 7-10 miles south of Adelaide
Even a well heeled racehorse owner, who is a dyed in the wool GL supPORTer and a club vice president, refused to make the trip

Heres another report on the venue :
The SANFL still has many problems to overcome before Elizabeth Oval could be considered a possible future headquarters for the League
First and probably major problem is the traffic congestion as occurred after the GL/PA game at Elizabeth Oval last saturday
For most people the 17 mile drive back to Adelaide took about an hour
Bumper to bumper traffic for such a trip is no joke
The congestion had not occurred to such an extent before as CD have always been one of the two teams playing at Elizabeth and their supPORTers live in the district and havent had to make the trek back to the city
The crowd of 10,164 was down a few thousand on what it would have been had the game been played at Alberton or Glenelg
I believe Elizabeth is too BIG
Most suburban grounds are pretty much the same size, but Elizabeths wide open spaces take some getting used to
Another difficulty for players is the strong winds which always seem to blow all over the ground, whatever the weather
Wind breaks, especially at the Northern end , would help reduce the wind


The Cahill brothers played well
Heres snippetts on their performances

JOHN CAHILL
Typically it was Ports never say die attitude and stamina which got them to the front only in the last 15 minutes
Just as typically it was a great burst by their skipper John Cahill , which helped them along the road
Cahill and PA supremacy are synominous
He may have lost a yard of pace but Cahill has lost none of his BIG heart and fantastic ability to get through where other men fear to tred and do the best with the ball

DARRELL CAHILL
Darrell Cahill has played most of his football- which is only 24 games- as a half back
Whoever got the notion to try him as a rover is a genius , as he has clicked in that position all this season in trials and matches against Victorian clubs

Still cant find out why this match was played at the Ponderosa
That they had traffic jams way back  in 1971 was interesting


Other matches in 1971  between the teams were

RD 10
Glenelg Oval
GL 17-20
PA 15-12

RD 21 [last round]
Alberton Oval
PA 12-12
GL 8-9



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Re: SANFL 1960-1999

Post by Flag No.10 on Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:02 am

Scrappy I have no memory of this but I wonder if it was some sort of promotion to try to introduce more locals out that way to the game by staging a big clash out there.
'71 though was, if memory serves, a good year for the Dogs. Isn't that the year they knocked Sturt out of the 1st semi, ending their run of premierships?

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Re: SANFL 1960-1999

Post by Bugsy+1 on Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:44 am

This game was played at Elizabeth Oval as Adelaide oval was being used to host Claxton Shield baseball games that weekend - the teams then played at Glenelg and Alberton later on during the season. I've never understood why the round 1 match simply wasn't played at one of the home grounds with one of the later clashes then played at Adelaide Oval.
Also the 1971 Prelim Final was between Port and Centrals NOT Port and Glenelg.
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Re: SANFL 1960-1999

Post by Chambo Off To Work We Go on Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:17 am

Flag No.10 wrote:Scrappy I have no memory of this but I wonder if it was some sort of promotion to try to introduce more locals out that way to the game by staging a big clash out there.
'71 though was, if memory serves, a good year for the Dogs. Isn't that the year they knocked Sturt out of the 1st semi, ending their run of premierships?

Yep correct F10.
Broke a young 9 year old's heart who was looking to continue the dynasty.
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Re: SANFL 1960-1999

Post by Scrappy on Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:39 am

F10
You might be on the ball
That game  might have been played at Elizabeth to promote football in the area
It seems a logical answer
The logic stems from what Buggsy posted , that being that PA/GL played against each other 3 times in the 1971 Minor Round
Buggsy also on the ball , why not play that RD1 match at Glenelg/Alberton , and play an Adelaide oval game later in the season

BUGGSY
Thanks for that Baseball answer at Adelaide Oval

1971 FINALS SERIES

ST 8-16
CD 13-13

NA 14-9
PA 10-18

PA 16-15
CD 11-16

1971 GRAND FINAL
NA....4-6....6-11...9-18...10-19
PA....0-1.....0-3....2-4......9-5

I can recall watching that Grand Final
PA had a BIG last qtr

QUESTION
Was there a breeze favoring PA in the last qtr ?
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Re: SANFL 1960-1999

Post by Flag No.10 on Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:57 am

Scrappy wrote:QUESTION
Was there a breeze favoring PA in the last qtr ?
Yes, coming out of Fos's mouth.

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Post by Lee on Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:11 am

Genuine zinger!

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Re: SANFL 1960-1999

Post by Scrappy on Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:13 am

Lee wrote:Genuine zinger!

No
Thats Robbie , not Fos ....
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Re: SANFL 1960-1999

Post by rocket_rooster on Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:06 pm

Scrappy wrote:F10
You might be on the ball
That game  might have been played at Elizabeth to promote football in the area
It seems a logical answer
The logic stems from what Buggsy posted , that being that PA/GL played against each other 3 times in the 1971 Minor Round
Buggsy also on the ball , why not play that RD1 match at Glenelg/Alberton , and play an Adelaide oval game later in the season

BUGGSY
Thanks for that Baseball answer at Adelaide Oval

1971 FINALS SERIES

ST 8-16
CD 13-13

NA 14-9
PA 10-18

PA 16-15
CD 11-16

1971 GRAND FINAL
NA....4-6....6-11...9-18...10-19
PA....0-1.....0-3....2-4......9-5

I can recall watching that Grand Final
PA had a BIG last qtr

QUESTION
Was there a breeze favoring PA in the last qtr ?

i have been advised by someone who was at the game that there was a strong wind favouring the end to which Port were kicking. Port kicked six goals after the 18 minute mark of the last quarter so the goals only made the scoreboard look respectable. The 6 goals were the ultimate in junk time goals.


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Re: SANFL 1960-1999

Post by rocket_rooster on Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:05 pm

rocket_rooster wrote:
Scrappy wrote:F10
ST 8-16
CD 13-13

NA 14-9
PA 10-18

PA 16-15
CD 11-16

1971 GRAND FINAL
NA....4-6....6-11...9-18...10-19
PA....0-1.....0-3....2-4......9-5

I can recall watching that Grand Final
PA had a BIG last qtr

QUESTION
Was there a breeze favoring PA in the last qtr ?

i have been advised by someone who was at the game that there was a strong wind favouring the end to which Port were kicking. Port kicked six goals after the 18 minute mark of the last quarter so the goals only made the scoreboard look respectable. The 6 goals were the ultimate in junk time goals.



According to my informant he says that the remarkable thing about the late goals is that in the second semi final at the 18 minute mark of the last quarter Port led by 21 points and from then until the final siren North kicked 7 goals to 1 to win by 15 points. He also says that Barrie Robran played one of the greatest 15 minutes of football ever seen in that second semi final to virtually turn the game singlehandedly. I wish there was some vision of that game.
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Post by Flag No.10 on Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:28 pm

I can remember watching a replay of the 1971 1st Semi and right near the end one of the commentators, it may have been Ian Aitken, saying that this was the end of an era (Sturt's) and the beginning of a new one (Central's). It sounded very profound at the time, particularly to a 10 year-old who had only known Sturt as premiers.

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Post by rocket_rooster on Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:20 am

Flag No.10 wrote:I can remember watching a replay of the 1971 1st Semi and right near the end one of the commentators, it may have been Ian Aitken, saying that this was the end of an era (Sturt's) and the beginning of a new one (Central's). It sounded very profound at the time, particularly to a 10 year-old who had only known Sturt as premiers.

He was only 30 years premature with his prediction.
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Post by Flag No.10 on Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:12 pm

Yeah, thought the same.

I know this (1971) was the first of three consecutive Grand Finals for North, so how does this period stack up amongst North's best eras?

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Post by Scrappy on Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:16 pm

Statistically NA had a period of success between 1900-1908
Made finals all 9 seasons
NA got their moJoness in order to win their first flag in 1900
3 Premierships 1900/1902/1905
Runner up 1906
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Post by rocket_rooster on Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:33 pm

Flag No.10 wrote:Yeah, thought the same.

I know this (1971) was the first of three consecutive Grand Finals for North, so how does this period stack up amongst North's best eras?

North were traditionally the third best side of the 20th century behind Port and Norwood. They were the only team to win a premiership in their own right in the 1920s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s. What they never had was a dynasty.

As well as the early 1900s to which Scrappy referred they also played in 3 Grand Finals in a row in 1930, 1931 and 1932 for two flags and a runners up. Between 1949 and 1952 under the great Ken Farmer they won 2 flags and were runner up once. And between 1985 and 1991 they played in five Grand Finals for two flags.

The other two things worth noting was through the 20th century they only won three wooden spoons - 1912, 1978 and 1999. They have already matched that this century. And also throughout the 20th century they vied with Port for having won the most Magarey Medals.

This is easily North's bleakest era.
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Post by Scrappy on Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:24 pm

Norwood v Glenelg
1994 Elimination Final
Football Park

NW 7-6...12-6...14-9.....22-14
GL 4-1......8-4...12-11...15-12

Leading goalscorers
NW
Patterson 4
Irvin 4
GL
Mansell 4

Best players
NW
Patterson, Irvin , Russell, Davey, Pitt, Bowman
GL
Chigwidden , Liptak , Mcguiness, McRae , Barton , West

Glenelgs James West becomes a Norwood Premiership player in 1997
Norwoods Stephen Patterson later becomes the Glenelg area Mayor[Holdfast Bay] in 2014

I just cant recall this final
Did the Bay men have a show at 3/4 time, or was there a breeze?
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Post by Scrappy on Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:17 pm

Heres a game I can recall
1987
Football Park

3/4 TIME
CD 3-0...5-2...11-4  [70]
ST 7-5...14-8..19-12[126]

Both sides missed the finals, CD [8th] ST [9th] in 1987
Sturt led by 52 points at 3/4 time
We had a Football treble into this Sunday match
We had snared the first 2 legs on the Saturday
I was totally engrossed, listening to this match on the radio
My mate and I, had 10 point bracketed combinations going with Sturt winning for collects of around $20,000

Very very very deep into the last quarter the scores were
CD 15-8 [98]
ST 22-16[126]
The commentary went something like this :
A Sturt player kicks the ball a Centrals player dropped the mark deep into attack
The caller had something like  this to say:
" Its off hands from the marking attempt , and it goes over the line and out of bounds for a throw in ...no it dosent, it has gone through for a point , but it makes no difference as Sturt will win."
The ball was kicked in from the point, and the siren went a second or two later after the kick in

The end score
CD 15-8[98]
ST 22-17[149]

That 'insignificant' point extended Sturts winning margin to 51 points
Guess who had Sturt to win between 1 point all the way up to 50 points
Yep, me and me mate
The combination of Sturt winning 41-50 points was paying a dividend of about $28,000

Oh the pain the pain of it all
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Post by Scrappy on Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:08 pm

West Adelaide v Port Adelaide
Football Park
Round 8

WA 0-1...4-8...9-10...15-12
PA 9-1...11-5..15-7....15-11

GOALKICKERS
WA
5 Simister
4 Symes
PA
4 Hodges

BEST PLAYERS
WA
Barrett, Symes, Morris, Loving, Pope, Hamilton
PA
Spalding, Angove, Hodges, Ginever, Williams


Wow
Port were 54 points at quarter time and lost
Port were still 33 points up at 3/4 time

Port won the 1994 Grand Final
West finished second bottom in 1994

The 2 teams next met in round 17, at Alberton Oval
1/4 TIME
PA 8-3
WA 1-2
This time WA were only 43 points down at quarter time !
FINAL SCORE
PA 22-12
WA 5-14
No comeback this game though


In the first game Pope made the best players for West Adelaide
Is he related to that fine 1975 Norwood Premiership player Rod Pope ?
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